Intergender Wrestling Yes or No?

So there is always a big debate when intergender matches come up on how they should be played. Should they be purely tag teams when only the men can fight the men and the women the women or should men and women be able to fight each other?

Its a question that doesn’t really have a yes or no answer but the answer lies somewhere in between…..

I guess its important to tell you why I stand where I stand on the issue.

My view is that there is nothing wrong with intergender matches where you see the men and women fight each other, of course it has to be in reason as I wouldn’t want to see little Alexa Bliss take on the Big Show but I don’t see why someone like Charlotte Flair couldn’t easily step in the ring with AJ Styles and have a absolute classic of a match.

I come from a place as a biological female who identifies as non-binary and grew up in a period of time that included wrestlers such as Chyna. If you don’t know who Chyna is you really are missing out because she was a one woman wrecking ball in my childhood, when people crow on about not really having a female wrestler to look up to it makes me chuckle because Chyna always taught me that it didn’t matter who you were if you say you are going to do something and you ignore those who say you can’t do it you’ll do it. She wasn’t the only one, small little Molly Holly could stand toe-to-toe with any female or male on the roster and so could Jacqueline and Ivory. Lita as well got into her fair share of fights with guys and came out the victor.

So for me I grew up with strong females, regardless of what people may say, who could and DID stand up for themselves against males. I never saw it as saying domestic abuse was OK in fact it did the opposite. For me it showed that men underestimated women and women were getting tired of that and fighting back.

That seems to be what it boils down to as well, that well touted line that men just shouldn’t hit women.

Then again men shouldn’t hit other men but they do so in wrestling.

Women shouldn’t hit other women but they do so in wrestling.

Women MORE SO THEN MEN should never hit a man for no reason but they do so FOR NO REASON in wrestling.

So why can’t, in the fantasy world of wrestling, women take on men?

I’ve seen two matches in recent memory. One live where Adira beat the hell out of Jamie Pearn and one on WCPW which did it all wrong and saw Brandi Rhodes defeat Prince Ameen. The first of the matches is one way of doing it right. When you have bigger females like Adira down here in the West-Country, Viper in WCPW or someone like Nia Jax in WWE it doesn’t matter who you put them up against you can imagine them destroying all opponents. Now I’m not saying have Jax dominate the WWE roster or Viper fight Hendry for the WCPW championship, but they would actually BE threats to male competitors and shouldn’t be ignored just because of their sex.

The Brandi Rhodes match was the way NOT to do intergender matches. Its I guess the worry that people will have. For much of the match Ameen just beat up Brandi and tried to humiliate her, the poor much smaller female being abused by a male. Thing is Brandi is a lot tougher then she looks and a much better wrestler then she looked in this match and I honestly think if the war of words had been with someone else she’d have had a much better match. I’ve seen Nixon Newell in matches against guys, someone of a similar build to Brandi, and she never played up to being the smallest person in the match or weak by purely being female, no she used her skills in ring to do what any smaller wrestler would do to beat bigger wrestlers and just wrestled around them.

Whilst I’m not saying I want to see female and male divisions joined together I think intergender matches can be fun, they can pit two very different styles together and create interesting match ups.

All I want to see on WWE TV right now is Becky Lynch beat the hell out of James Ellsworth, something we’ll probably get in small doses but I’d love to see him just get schooled by Becky in the ring.

Would you really have a problem with someone like Becky Lynch fighting a guy like Ellsworth? If Becky is allowed to play to her strengths and Ellsworth to his then SURELY the whole narrative would be a ass kicking for Ellsworth?

The story for me of intergender matches is never that the woman is weaker, it might be a element to it but in this day and age it really doesn’t have to be. For me its proving that women CAN defend themselves and we aren’t all dainty princesses that can’t go one-on-one with males. Whilst I’m not saying I want to witness them every day of the week I would rather see trained professional women be able to get their hands on a guy if that guy has pissed them off. I’d like to see Becky Lynch get her hands on Ellsworth, hell if Charlotte wins the MitB contract I’d love to see her get cocky with the male winner which ends up with a fight, I love seeing Adira in the West-Country just bulldoze through all competitors, the one time I sat down to watch Lucha Underground was because Pete wanted me to see Ivelisse vs Mil Muertes. I love Hell in a Cell matches but I don’t want to see them every night of the week but when there is a story and two people worthy to tell that story I want to see it.

I would have, for a final example, loved to see Nikki Bella at least once in her feud with the Miz TAKE ON the Miz. I think Nikki might not have been the best in the ring but I think a quick match between the two would have been really good.

So for me there is nothing wrong with intergender matches as long as the narrative is that of two competitors facing each other for a good reason. I don’t want to see the “weak” female and “dominant” man, I just want to see female wrestlers given a chance to fight a male wrestler who has got in their face, laughed at them or just because they want to trade blows with someone a little different.

 

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5 thoughts on “Intergender Wrestling Yes or No?”

  1. I don’t like intergender wrestling but if people want it in the indies fine. But not WWE. To a lot of non wrestling fans in the UK (which is the country I’m from so I know the attitude) WWE is a toxic brand. If men beat up women on TV WWE’s awful reputation would get worse. If you are a non wrestling fan you are channel surfing on Monday nights and you land on USA Network and you see a man beating up a woman what will you think? Probably “this is disgusting”. So they should not do it.. In fact I’d go further and completely segregate the genders. Why is Ellsworth in the women’s division? Why have Stephanie shout at and emasculate the men when they can do nothing about it?. Since they don’t want to do intergender wrestling just keep the genders apart. They claim to be a sport (they must appeal to a sporting audience because every time the RAW ratings go down they blame NBA or NFL). NBA and NFL are gender segregated. WWE should be too..

    1. I thought I’d replied to you back when you posted, I’m sorry I didn’t and didn’t at least check! Been very busy recently.

      Personally I think you are right and wrong. I’m also from the UK so know the attitude and whilst I do think we’re smart enough to see a pattern from WWE at the same time I don’t think overall the UKs opinion of WWE is toxic. WWE falls into patterns, one or two people break them but not enough for us not to forget that 99% of the time when WWE does something its for the wrong reasons. So yes we probably need to stay away from having anything that WWE could screw up being on WWE TV because the moment they do it the very strong biases in the back writing it will come out and even the best of stories/ideas will turn into something murky.

      BUT I also think WWE could get away with it sometimes. One of your examples is a good one. Ellsworth is beyond a joke at this point, no one really wants to see him fighting but he’s a good enough jobber that he could very easily get into a fight with Becky, Naomi, Tamina or any other SmackDown lady and it wouldn’t look bad. Even Tamina is seen as more worthy a wrestler in her division then Ellsworth and as the tank of the SD women’s division you could see Ellsworth do what managers/escorts usually do and attack Tamina from behind, think he’s done something impressive just for her to go and slam the hell out of him.

      That could be the bridging gap for the moment that would work BUT I also agree that WWE would take it too far and instead of Chyna/Jericho it would end up Chyna/Jarrett in that they make a absolute joke of it.

      So maybe not Intergender matches but at least let the male managers get a taste of what the female managers used to get when they stuck their noses into other people’s business.

      As for Stephanie its different because she’s a face of power. She isn’t a wrestler but she’s there to be foiled in different ways, I think its dangerous in something like WWE which is sports entertainment not a sport itself to completely segregate men and women to the point you also make it impossible for female authority figures or managers to be involved with the men. Again ESPECIALLY in WWE all it would do was leave a bad taste.

      Then again I guess its just hard when it comes to WWE because of their past in general. Their past kinda murks anything they’ll do in the future but I really do disagree that the UK audience find it in any way toxic.

  2. I like Intergender wrestling very much.

    In my opinion,an extremely polished female wrestler can provide a FIVE Star match against men like Sami Zayn, Cesaro, AJ styles, Seth rollins, Finn Balor, Neville and even Bray Wyatt.
    If a woman knows how to punch or execute wrestling move correctly, then she has a chance of knocking a man out.So a Skilled and/or determined woman has a decent chance of doing this against a male aggressor.
    Furthermore, a female wrestler skilled in TAEKWONDO can fight toe-to-toe against some male wrestlers.

    Again , a mesomorphic shaped women wrestler Can defeat a good male wrestler clean by pinfall victory.
    It is because her upper body strength is impressive as she has lean body and her leg athleticism is extraordinary and marvelous compared to male opponent.

    I don’t think we’ll see genuine intergender wrestling matches in WWE again.None of the women are believable to take on men.The truth is WWE’s current Womens division is filled with untrained models.
    WWE Women just can’t wrestle as good as men. This is the absolute truth. Why are people scared to say this ?
    Every body says that Charlotte is best athlete, but I strongly disagree.I don’t think Charlotte has the moveset to be able to provide a competitive match against a male wrestler.She do have to create an entirely different style to wrestle men. When she’s wrestling women, some of her offense already looks weak enough (mostly her finishing move). She have pseudo- ring skills and pretending to wrestle.

    1. When it comes to WWE women I guess its a matter of opinion because I personally think Charlotte could go up against some of the men, in fact I think a few of the women could probably take on a few of the men.

      I think I brought up WWE as a example because its something I know a lot of people will have watched. I know that Intergender wrestling won’t happen in WWE or if it does its going to be very short and sweet and probably a joke of a match with someone like Ellsworth.

      For me its the British Indie Scene that I’d like to see more of it in, including WCPW who have a lot of really top class females come through their doors that could square off against the male competitors from time to time. Down here in the West-Country we have one hell of a female wrestler called Adira, I’ve seen her a few times because unfortunately she got injured but two of the matches were against males. Both times she was the highlight of the match, much more believable then the male wrestlers (to be fair one was very young and still training) and just looked like she belonged in a wrestling ring against any competitor male or female. Even with her fighting fit the West-Country have a bit of a lack of female presence in their shows which hinders Adira greatly as a relatively new wrestler so personally I’d like to see the shows that use her actually USE her and she’s proven she can step in the ring with male competitors so it would be nice to see her get that chance.

      I’ve seen someone like Nixon Newell take on guys like Lomaxx and the UK Dominator and she looked freakin’ awesome in the match even though the two blokes, and the guy she was tagging with, were all massive compared to her. The other week I saw Laura James take on those Lomaxx and Gideon in a tag team match with Joey Ryan and she was by far the best part of the match and didn’t look out of place at all.

      But then you go online and see people say they don’t want to see it because a man just shouldn’t fight a woman and it makes me sad because so many of the women I’ve seen live could have absolutely amazing matches against male wrestlers and in a way some of them need those matches when they come from smaller areas just to get the experience in.

      Like a dream match for me would be to see Nixon Newell vs Ultimo Tiger or Jamie Hayter vs Tyler Hawke. Some people think that’s wrong and I’ve had one or two people at shows tell me that I need to rethink my life because I want to see those matches but to be honest I think the two women are far superior wrestlers then the men.

      I do apologise if none of that makes sense by the way… Absolutely shattered after staying up for SummerSlam last night.

  3. I think inter-gender wrestling empowering for women to be athletically at the same level as a man.

    Nixon newell is equally comfortable wrestling big men as she is with female wrestlers, and she’s both a great seller, and someone who can pick up the pace and amaze crowds with her agile moves.Her finishing move is the front flip piledriver which is excellent. Not only does she look fantastic, but her in-ring work is very good .
    Toni storm, Nikki cross are good too.There are also some Japanese female wrestlers who can give competitive match with male .

    A robust move- sets and a strong finishing manoeuvres are required to beat a male wrestler by pinfall.But only few women have strong move-sets.

    If a woman knows to use her lower center of gravity & greater level of flexibility and she was properly trained I would have no doubts that she could take a man.
    women are often better at martial arts since they tend to use more finese and precision than brute strength.

    The real advantage for the female, if she has it, is creativity and resourcefulness, which woman have in equal abundance with men.
    So ,a matured female fighter can defeat average male wrestler.

    For example : – A 150 pounds skilled female fighter versus a 130 pounds male fighter. The male fighter will closely win but at much later rounds ( say rematches in either same day or different day ).

    One of the most physical rivalries between a man and a woman within the WWE can undoubtedly be attributed to Chris Jericho versus Chyna.
    Nothing was off the table during the rivalry between Chris Jericho and Chyna. There were cheap shots, torture scenes, and a whole bunch more. In my opinion, the matches between Chyna and Chris Jericho signified what I want to see from intergender matches. Unfortunately, I don’t believe we are ever going to see this type of match again.
    WWE is not serious about the presentation of womens wrestling.

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